but when defense secretary panetta lifted the ban on women in combat his decision, this week, drew strong praise and sharp criticism. we have brought together two distinguished veterans to discussion the issue. colonel martha mcsally was our nation's first female combat pilot, logging hours over the skies of iraq an afghanistan and joins us from tucson, lieutenant general jerry boykin was one of the original members of the army's delta force and former head of the u.s. special forces command. colonel, general, welcome to fox news sunday and i have been looking forward to this discussion into thank you very much, chris. >> so have i, thanks for having us on. >> chris: here's how defense secretary panetta explained his decision this week. take a look: >> not everyone is going to be able to be a combat soldier. but, everyone is entitled to a chance. >> chris: general boykin, you dismissed this as another case of the pentagon using the military for a social experiment. i'd like you to tell colonel mcsally directly, knowing her background, look into the camera and tell her why she is unfit to